Men Are Finished

Being one of those, I’m not sure I like this. LOL But if it begins to turn the world around to the values I espouse, I really won’t complain at all. I long ago discovered that if I want a physician who will hear me and respond appropriately I must find a woman. The male physicians–especially the older ones–have drunk too much of the Kool-Aid of their superiority and authority. Of course most professions self-select. We expect police to be tough and authoritarian while heeding the strict interpretation of law–tendency to be a male trait. There are more caring and understanding women in nursing–not that they aren’t strong and powerful and insistent when we don’t want to take the medicine. And not that there aren’t some wonderful caring and emotionally aware men.

I thought most of my readers might miss this, so while it is not DIRECTLY related to current affairs and politics, here it is. It came from and you can get to the original by going to their website.


Apparently, Men Are Finished

The fairer sex won big at Tuesday’s Slate/Intelligence Squared U.S. debate.

By Elizabeth Weingarten
Posted Wednesday, Sept. 21, 2011, at 5:44 PM ET

In the middle of Tuesday night’s Slate /Intelligence Squared U.S. debate, ABC News chief legal analyst Dan Abrams presented this damning piece of evidence: “Between 1995 and 2008, 82 percent of lightning strikes were on men,” Even God, Abrams told the packed house at NYU’s Skirball Center, has decided that men are finished.

Abrams teamed with journalist Hanna Rosin of Slate and the Atlantic to argue for the proposition, “Men Are Finished.” They squared off against American Enterprise Institute scholar Christina Hoff Sommers and Men’s HealthEditor in Chief Dave Zinczenko, who opposed the motion. ABC News Nightline Correspondent John Donvan moderated.

The debate—lively, a little bit mean, and extremely funny—ended with a big victory for Rosin and Abrams. Before the debate started, 20 percent of the audience voted for the motion, 54 against, and 26 were undecided. By the end of the debate—in a result that Intelligence Squared deemed the biggest swing in its history—the numbers had more than reversed, with 66 percent voting for the motion, 29 against it, and 5 percent undecided.

“Men are finished,” is a bold claim—”preposterous,” as Zinczenko scoffed repeatedly. Rosin and Abrams helped their cause early by defining victory down: They argued that “men are finished” did not mean complete and utter humiliation of the sex, but rather
an end to male dominance. Rosin, the author of last summer’s Atlantic cover
story “The End of Men,” used her opening
statement to argue that men are through dominating because they’ve failed to adapt to a postmodern economy that places a higher premium on traditionally feminine attributes (consensus-building, social intuition, empathy, and communication skills). Men have narrow, inflexible ideas of what it means to be a man, and thus have pigeonholed themselves into dying industries. Women, on the other hand, are more flexible and malleable than ever before. There’s “some special formula required for succeeding” today that women seem to have in greater abundance,” Rosin said, while reeling off favorable statistics. in 2010, women became the majority of the workforce for the first time in American history. They now hold 54 percent of managerial jobs, and are set to dominate 13 of the 15 industries projected to grow the most in the next decade. They’re more likely than men to receive a college degree. Meanwhile, one-fifth of men are out of work. And images of the “omega” male(imagine the slothlike, video-game entranced, drugged-up, potbellied guys you see in Judd Apatow movies) dominate movies and television shows. “We’d like you to think of this as the writing on the wall, the sign that points to an inevitable future,” she asserted. “The world where men dominate the public sphere, and where male traits lead to public success is the world we’re saying goodbye to.”
Sommers, author of The War Against Boys, countered that the short-term trends we’re seeing are signs of equalization, not dominance: Women are joining men, or even catching up to them, as partners in running the world. They are not surpassing them. She and Zinczenko both cited Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates as proof that we need men to drive innovation in fields like technology and science. And our civilization depends on the brawn and bravery of the men—”and some women”—who fight and die to protect us. “Toughness and assertiveness are obsolete—that’s absurd!” she declared, referring to the idea that male traits aren’t as crucial to the postindustrial economy.

[ ED: This article came out in short lines–I’m not making a judgement here–and I’m going to let you go to the original source, if you want a more easily read version.]
Abrams, who is also the author of Man
Down: Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt
that Women are Better Cops, Drivers,
Gamblers, Spies, World Leaders, Beer
Tasters, Hedge Fund Managers and Just
About Everything Else
, highlighted a new

study showing that female politicians are
more far effective than men. So why
aren’t more women voted into office? He
pointed to the paradoxical results of a
survey that asked participants to rate
whether they associated the eight most
important political traits (intelligence,
compassion, creativity, etc) with women

or men. They associated seven of those
positive traits with women. Yet only six
percent said that women made better
political leaders. It’s a strange
incongruity, Abrams admits, but it’s one
that will ultimately dissipate as the
public becomes more aware of women’s
superior skills. “There is only so long men
will be able to thrive, much less survive
on the fumes of past sexism and
assumptions.”Zinczenko, who maintains a well-known
bromance with Abrams
, began his

argument not with statistics or studies,
but with a sex joke. “Men can’t possibly
be finished because as all of you know,
when men are finished, they roll over
immediately and go to sleep. That’s not
happening. … They continue to do what
they have always done…”“Sleep!” yelled out a member of the

Zinczenko, unfazed, continued. “All of
the statistics my opponents are citing
tonight are indicative of a trend,” he
said. “Women are beginning to catch up
to men, but the pace of that progress is
inexorably slow.” Then, he cited a few
statistics of his own: Women perform
two-thirds of the world’s work, but only
earn a fraction of the world’s income.
Men rule 92 percent of its sovereign
nations. “I didn’t get through all of
Freakonomics, admittedly, but these do
not seem like winning statistics for that
side,” he joked.

So why do women seem to be forging
ahead, even it if it is only a temporary
trend? “Women are willing to move
together as a unit, and men are rugged

individualists,” he explains. “They want
to move together, but none is willing to
stop and ask for directions. We need to
move beyond our opponents’ assertion
that there is something wrong with that.”Later, Zinczenko took shots at his friend
for the data he was citing. “Don’t trust
Dan and his statistics,” he gibed.” He’s a
columnist for Men’s Health, and he has
the hardest time getting his pieces
through our fact-checking department.”Perhaps the most telling moment in the
debate came during a rather rowdy
question-and-answer session. The
bombastic crowd was driving moderator
Donvan “nuts” with two-part questions
and long premises. He seemed
exasperated. Then Diane Salvatore, the
editor of Prevention magazine, stepped

“Is it true that men with power and
money tend to self-destruct more than
women do?” Salvatore asked. “And I
think here of Oprah versus Charlie

“That was a focused question,” said
Donvan happily. “That’s the model.”“By a woman,” Rosin quipped.Rosin then said she was grateful to
Salvatore for mentioning Charlie Sheen. “I
feel like if you say ‘Charlie Sheen’ enough t
imes, everyone will vote for us.”


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